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Welcome to our little slice of paradise! Clear Lake Shores is probably one of the best kept secrets in the entire Bay Area. Yes we are an island. We are surrounded by Clear Lake, Jarbo Bayou and the Lazy Bend canals. Plug this in to Google Maps and you'll see what I mean 29.32' by 95.01' We are about half way between Galveston Island and the city of Houston and located in north Galveston county. I will try to keep us up on all the goings on that we can walk, boat, bike or drive our golf carts to. Very few things pi$$ me off but one of them is wasting my precious time. I'll try not to waste yours. Enjoy. ab

Friday, January 20, 2012

Happy Birthday to ...

Rob and Neil!


I just left Frank's so here's the latest. Essentially he is going to transform the back part of his shop in to "Chill" The covered space is about 30 x100 so plenty of room to get in out of the weather if need be. By far the jewel in this crown will be the deck. It overlooks the bayou and the park and it even looks good in the wintertime. If you want to call this winter that is. His architects and builder are meting with the City's architect so they can build their deck in to what hopefully someday will be a boardwalk around the bayou. They will have a lot of big windows in the back of the building and plenty of parking on the East side. Aspen literally stops at the back door and is just begging for golf carts. Frank said he's just bout got all his permits lined up and he's hoping for a late spring early summer opening. Did I mention it's going to have a full bar? What a great spot to go sit and CHILL!

So the party is at East Shore and Juniper tonight. Happy Birthday Boys! See you in a few hours.

Got your chili recipes all figured out ? Forget the cat soup. It's been tried. She hasn't been back since. You could always go with the Rodent Surprise like Rob did. Hold off on the coriander though it clashes with the hair taste. Craigbob, how many wannabes have signed up so far? You noobs need to understand one thing going in. The odds of me taking my trophy back to my house are going up every day. I know you're scared but losing is good for you. Makes you humble. Like me.

Then It’s Man-cakes! I think this is the 9th outing for the boys and the Civic Club. We will be serving Blueberry, Chocolate chip and regular mancakes with bacon and or sausage. Milk, Coffee, OJ and a little something special for the ladies. I still have a few openings if you want to join in the fun.

A lot of comments in the last two days. Too much name calling but I can understand where it's coming from. Frustration is a bitch. Do your venting here. That’s the purpose of anon. Just a note though, it doesn't change anything that has happened. It can only effect what may or may not happen. 102 days from now these folks will still be your neighbors. Think how much nicer this place would be if they were your friends too. I’m not asking anybody to kiss and make up with an asshole, just talk to your neighbors like you would want them to talk to you. OK who’s ready for a round of Kumbaya? What we can do is stay focused. Stay positive. Stay strong. Stop whining and make a difference.

Because you asked for it.

GALVESTON COUNTY CRIMINAL JUSTICE CENTER

600 59th Street, Suite 1001

Galveston, Texas 77551

Here is the State AG's address

Office of the Attorney General

PO Box 12548

Austin, TX 78711-2548


"Why didn't Noah swat those two mosquitoes?"


PS I love the t-shirt idea. "Get your Damnation Here!" "The beet of a different Drummer" I'm looking for more ideas so feel free to post it here.

78 comments:

Roselyn said...

Looks like we are going to be filing separate complaints with Galveston Co. DA instead of a group, since the complaint has to be notorized. If you want the instructions for filing I will send you one, roselynpierce@comcast.net or Allan has supplied their address above.

Crystal Rose said...

Great news on the forthcoming restaurant CHILL! We always thought that area over there would make a great site for a restaurant.

This chilli competition has had me making my own Chilli powder. Never tried that before, 8 more days......

Anonymous said...

Is there a notary in our city offices? If not, where is one close to us?

DaveC. said...

Candy schere on 515 Pine is a notary, she is home most days.

Anonymous said...

Any news on the meeting with the officers?

Anonymous said...

looks like they met at Craig's house....

RIP

DaveC. said...

I don't think the 3 stooges get it. You have to have a Credit Card policy in place for a violation to occur. WE HAVE NO SUCH POLICY! So as city councilmen make such a policy. Paul did nothing wrong!

Anonymous said...

David C., You don't get it. The state of Texas has a law.

Anonymous said...

http://www.auburn-reporter.com/news/128851903.html
If you have time take a look at this and if your part of the north shore gang or a member of our city council you might read it twice.

Crystal Rose said...

Anon 5:37 excellent piece of research, now if only the councilors will read it and let it go!

Anonymous said...

Hold on a minute. I'm going to quote more irrelevent laws if I can just get Google to hurry up....

Dammit!

"Kathy! What's wrong with the internet?"
"What do you mean you're watching Linda's house? I need you to fix the internets!"

Anonymous said...

I wonder how nervous Tami was from 2 to 4 today wondering if someone ratter her out at the meeting? There don't seem to be many, if any, with any loyalty in the PD. I bet Vern learned more than he was counting on today. Any bet takers for that one?

Anonymous said...

Yes, anon 512 the State of Texas has a law. It was posted yesterday. It basicly says if someone uses a card without the knowlege or permission of the card holder it is a crime. I posted a question that was ignored. The City is the card holder. Did the City know and allow Paul to use the card for personal use if it was repaid? Who would give that permission? Well, I suppose it should be in writeing under one of our laws or ordinances either granting permision or denying permission to use the card for personal use and specify the rules regarding repayment of that debt if it is allowed. If it is not a written law that it cannot be used by city employees for personal use and repaid at a later date then I guess the next thing you would look at is was permission verbally granted? Who would grant that permission if a written rule is not in place? I guess it would be the Mayor or the City Manager as they are the ones at the top of the food chain. Prsonally I have no problem with a city employee useing the card for personal use if they broke no law and repaid the debt. I also have no problem with pay advances if they are paid back. I would bet worse things have gone on over the past 50 years around here. Wouldn't you Kathy? Our laws and ordinances are full of holes and they get fixed as we discover them. That is how it works. I have not seen any evidence Paul broke a law to date because we don't know untill it is investigated if he had permission or not. This has been discussed many times anon. What don't you get? Do you anon along with the rest of NS really believe you can walk into court with your little googled law and say Hey Judge here is the Texas law and Paul charged something and expect them to find him guilty just like that? Are you really that simple minded. If it is found Paul did not have permission and it was clear he could not charge on the card and repay the debt he was wrong to do so and I do not approve of it. I have not helped cover it up as you have accused me of doing behind your anon sheild. Coward. If it was not clear if he had permission or not and he repayed the debt move on then make it clear in our city laws what the citys rules are regarding the card.

You have also twisted my words regarding our officers, the investigations and the no confidence petition. I did not demand the officers respect me. Please re read the post. I said the officers didn't show us, meaning the citizens respect regarding this mess from day one. First the officers went to Tami personally and she appears to have proceeded to interview them either by herself or with the help of NS then threw an item on the CC agenda to fire Paul before anyone had a clue what was going on except NS. That was wrong and possibly illegal. We then spent 70,000 to find out Paul did nothing wrong. Even after all of that Some of our officers rubbed our nose in it by hanging out at NS homes on a regular basis and making snide comments at CC meetings. I know that for a fact because one of the comments was made to me after speaking at a cc meeting. OK, now that problem is solved so a couple of months later they attack their next supervisor by putting on a dramatic show at City Council. None of them showed up except their messanger and he didn't have the respect for the non NS citizens to tell us what the heck was up. In my opinion which I think I still have the right to voice, they handled it wrong from day one and had no respect for the citizens that give them a place to work and pay their salary.

Craig. more long winded post to follw it wouldn't fit in one

Anonymous said...

Now to correct anons twisting of my words. I appreciate the work they do and I am thankful for what they do for us. I do not respect the way they have handled this mess and I feel they have not respected the citizens by going behind our backs. I assume our officers are smart and professional enough to see the difference. Most citizens includeing me have had their backs through this whole thing untill Tuesday when they lost my "respect" not appreciation and there are many others that feel the same way. So NS, it seems I have been added to your diversion game along with the pity party and victim card you all are somehow trying to pull me into this mess going as far as accuseing me of covering up for them just because I dare speak out ask questions and point out flaws in NS"s shallow one minded accusations. Coverup, That is a pretty serious accusation but easy to make behind you anon sheild. All I ask is our Officers quit going underground and throwing damatic side shows to get their way. Do what you need to do but do it correctly and professionally. If you can't do that for us leave. Am I out of line folks? Let me know

Craig

Anonymous said...

Anon 5:37 PM

The article you referenced is for Auburn, Washington. If you are going to make a comparison at least find a City within Texas. The situation has some similarities but that is all. That Mayor did notified their Financial Officer prior to the purchase of the ticket for his wife (according to the article) and he did pay the money back.

There is no notification or approval given in our City's transgression. Paul nor Karen has ever reported these transactions. Paul was given the opportunity to confess and only admitted to paying one personal bill at a City Counsel Meeting. So time has passed for Paul, or Karen to come forward without there being consideration of criminal prosecution if there is a finding of wrong doing.

The City Counsel hasn't released anything showing where Paul paid the monies back either. This may have been going on for years leaving the total sum of the abuse only to be guessed at. Next question is Karen's part in covering up these transactions and failing to report them. As the Financial Officer for our City, she had a duty to report these personal transactions on City Accounts. Karen failed to report these abuses, what else has she failed to report? The check registries are also in question.

Texas State Law allows for prosecution as either a Misdemeanor or a Felony. The amount of money would probably make it a Felony. There is a need for a Forensic Audit of the Books by a Specialist and that information turned over to the DA if in fact wrong doing is found.

The City Counsel needs to hire a Forensic CPA and act to insure there are safeguards in place to prevent this in the future. .

Anonymous said...

i don't think you are out of line at all. i feel the same way and have heard others that would agree.. NS is targeting you because you are a threat to them..you and roselyn and a handful of others have the guts to call them out and sign your name....keep it up you are appreciated

Anonymous said...

Is it possible Candy S would bring her notary stamp to the Chili party?

Anonymous said...

Plz correct me if I am wrong but I thought questionable cred.card purchases surfaced prior to the 70,000K investigation? I just don't get the big deal about this since I know Paul and IF he charged something he would have paid it back. I know Karen, too, and IF there was a charge she would have made sure he paid it. She is very ethical and dedicated to her job.
Stop blowing smoke NS especially since Bernie has had embezzelment issues in the past. As a former mayor Kathy, why didn't you correct these issues? You cost this city so much then and now you are continuing to do more damage by your crap. We are so disguested with you.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like Chill will be the new Sandbar! Hope they will have live bands, good food and a great big bar.

Does anyone know if the Sandbar property will go up for sale soon? If so, would they consider dividing the lots?

Anonymous said...

What business do these a holes have trying to run Paul or anyone else into the ground. God only knows what kind of crap Kathy got by with when she served as the worst mayor in our history. Bernie, embezzlement? Didn't know about that lets hear more. And now he is on probation for the first of more than 70 counts he is still faceing. Jean and Larry seem to be flat out nut cases and if anyone at CC meetings has been drunk its that fake Southern Bell Barbra. How can this group of crazies and convicted criminals f with anyone? Give me a break!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Craig, the law does not need to be interrupted it is clear. When a credit card is issued for specific use, in this case “City Business”, there are no allowances for personal usage.
Example: There is nothing in writing telling a Bank Teller that she can’t take your deposit and put it in her account but it is a crime to do it. There is no defense that I was going to pay it back. Your sympathies are ridiculous.
Time has passed and questions have been asked in the City Council Meetings. Paul, Vern, nor Karen has come forward with information that would indicate this is anything but a theft of City Funds. Paul has only admitted to one transgression that I am aware of. The City Counsel may have more knowledge of other transgressions if Karen or Paul reported to them directly and that information hasn’t been made available to us. By now, any defense of “permission was given” should have been put before City Counsel. I believe that would be all over this Blog if that were the case.
There is only one solution, a Forensic Audit of the City Records. This will determine if there are more transgressions, how it was covered up, who was aware of it, how long it has been going on and what the total is. If there is a theft of city funds then it can be given to the Galveston District Attorney who can determine if criminal charges are in order and against whom.

Anonymous said...

Your treatment of the Police Officers is clear in my book. Your own words condemned you. Nobody is twisting your words. They are there for anyone to read and you even denied writing them. By the way who was in the room with the boy with the gun and no City issued body armor? I just see a person who isn’t capable of manning up and admitting your mouth has over loaded your ass again.

Your assumptions that the PD coordinated anything is just that “your assumption”. As far as who an Officer speaks to on his tour of duty, or on his/her’s off time is none of your dam business. You are not the “LORD OF THE MANOR” and/or the KGB Political Officer. So what are you doing stalking Tammy or have you set up surveillance on her home? Either way, that may be the reason the Police are talking with her in an official capacity. We all know there have been threats against her and no later than yesterday here on the Blog.

Milliken did it the way they wanted it done. The only thing you are pissing and moaning about is that you didn't know. Go to your corner "crybaby". They don't owe you a dam thing but probably will be there for you anyway because it is their job.

Anonymous said...

It's Kathy’s fault that the Chief of Police/City Manager abuses his office. We are to assume, Kathy needed to have regulations in place to keep Paul from abusing his Credit Cards. Dam you must have voted for Obama > Bush did it and I can’t help it has been 3 years. YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

Anonymous said...

Kathy saw how the city's credit card was handled back when she was mayor.Did it dawn on her to put procedures in place? Now you are claiming felony charges? I strongly urge you to hire the auditor. The city should not pay out when at most they will find one or two charges that were paid back. The way you are obsessing over this confirms there is something very wrong with you both. Do you have a need for high drama? Do you thrive on making other anxious? Do you want Paul and now Karen to file a harrassment lawsuit on both of you, Jean and Mr Utube, Tami, Jackie and Arlene. I sure as hell would have done it a long long time ago. Like your neighbors have learned the only way to deal with you is in court. Get that checkbook ready to write them one big fat check.

Roselyn said...

This is hilarious that the NS gang thinks they are going to throw up a smoke screen about credit card use and distract us from the real issue of Tami being a pawn in a political coup. The NS group are up shit creek without a paddle so they are grabbing at straws and trying to come up with something else.

Whoever is posting accusations of theft against Paul and Karen and acting like they are an attorney citing law, needs to get advice from Bernie IMMEDIATELY. Ask him about his CLS best friend from 10 yrs. ago that got an $800,000 judgment against him for this same kind of false accusations and signing as "anon" in a Kemah political controvery. If any of you want I can send you links to this case and its original petition or you can dig back through the June posts when Bernie started posting.

If Bernie were a true friend to your group he would be advising you to be very careful, that you may think what you post is anon, but it won't be once the lawsuit is filed.

In that Kemah law suit Claire Worthington's Kemah Information website was supoened and that's how his anonymous postings were tracked to him and he was convicted.

Just a heads up that if you post here you better be sure you have the proof, and possibly the money, to back it up your words.

P.S. Paul told me to thank the folks that donated to the Tina Shelley Legal Fund. Still working on that.

I talked to Paul and he is not worried about any credit card charges not being paid. He said that his "good friend" Jean Garst, who made the open records requests for the credit cards never asked thru open records if they had been repayed or not. I guess its more effective for NS to make a big deal about it if they know they only have half the info and act like they have it all.

So, whoever is making these accusations, and I know its not Bernie because he remembers what happened to his friend, needs to tread carefully.

Everybody should post any information they have but be sure you won't mind sitting in a witness chair stating where you got the info. These blog posts can be tracked back to you. Just say'n.

I posted the links to the Kemah lawsuit back in June and can dig it up if anybody needs to read it before they make any more accusations. I think Bernie might have done a deposition in that lawsuit but not sure. It was about 10 years ago.

Anonymous said...

Is it a secret or can you tell the rest of us what law or laws that you are going to the DA with? I keep seeing this on here but have yet to see one violation of the Texas Penal Code quoted as being violated. More Drama or is there any facts like a law to go with it?

Roselyn said...

The citizens are filing complaints with the DA's office charging violations of open meetings act because the 3 stooges have put agenda items on the past two council agendas where all three of them are sponsoring new city business. Does anyone think they did not discuss this city business prior to going to city hall collectively to put it on the agenda? We also are securing the tape recording of where Tami was asked in June why the three of them met outside of council and discussed the problems in the police department without discussing them with the Mayor or council, and she answered why. Several over items.........Why the anon posted says they are going to report credit card violations to the DA is beyond me. They are going to get laughed at when they tell they DA we have no policy and that they never requested proof that any personal charges were repaid.

Anonymous said...

Where do you donate to Tina's legal fund?

Roselyn said...

P.S. As of mid afternoon today, the DA office had no complaints filed about credit cards but they have received some regarding open meetings violations.

Roselyn said...

Make checks payable to:
Tina Shelley Legal Fund
Checking Acct. # 12146662

Sent to:
Attn: Billie Jean Higginbotham
Texas First Bank
P.O. Box 339
Kemah, Tx 77565
(and ask her to send a note tothe Shelley home that you made the deposit. She has the address.

Thank you and justice will be served, sometimes its just slow.

Anonymous said...

The citizens are filing complaints with the DA's office charging violations of open meetings act because:

1. the 3 stooges have put agenda items on the past two council agendas where all three of them are sponsoring new city business.

Question > this is criminal? Arrest Congress.

2. Does anyone think they did not discuss this city business prior to going to city hall collectively to put it on the agenda?

Question > "You think" - will secure a criminal complaint even if talking to your peer is objectionable.

3. We also are securing the tape recording of where Tami was asked in June why the three of them met outside of council and discussed the problems in the police department without discussing them with the Mayor or council, and she answered why.

Question: That is criminal to talk to your peers?

4. Several over items.........

Question: Did you save the best for last?

Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?

Anonymous said...

I want to donate to the fund for the Shelleys legal defense,too. If someone was relentlessly going after my character I would not hesitate to file charges of harassment and defamation.I regret not donating sooner. Sorry Paul, I thought NS would run out of steam. Apparently they thrive on negativity and are not going to let up any time soon.

My admiration of Paul continues to grow daily. He hold his head high, staying professional. He is certainly a great model for all of us.

Roselyn said...

Talking to your "peers" and talking to other "council people" are two entirely different things. I am a citizen and talking to my "peers" on this board. Tami, Jackie and Arleen are council people and the law forbids them to meet outside of council and discuss city business. Someone even told me that it is illegal for 2 council people to discuss city business and then bring the third into it later. For instance it doesn't have to be all at the same time that they are discussing city business outside of a council meeting.

I am sure someone on this board can point this person to the law regarding open meetings violations. If the 3 of them took the required class after being elected they would know what the law is. I am going to bed.

Anonymous said...

I agree, I have to admire a person for quitting while under investigation? As an Attorney, I would preach everyday to get out fast and keep your mouth shut until your lawyer shows up. That's right, Paul had an attorney negotiate his quitting. Wasn't it Tina's husband, Paul, who allowed her to quit prior to the City Board completing their investigation? Now, you really need a legal fund to deal with quitting on your husband? Dam, I see now. Tina will need her own money to sue Paul for he won't let her use the their money. I get it.

Anonymous said...

Was it the last mtg in Dec. when Tami said something along the lines...why are we discussing this (revised ordinance now know as the MUST vs Should)when we know we already have 3 votes against it? It was obvious to me the three stooges had to have discussed this prior to the mtg since none of them indicated in the mtg how they would vote. That would be another recording to secure for the DA.

Tami, Tami Tami...you have dug one deep hole. I am giggling so right now. If there is one thing I hate is incompetence in a role. You prove yourself to be an idiot every time you open your mouth.This is especially true at Council Mtg. Even if Kathy hands you your script prior to the mtg. keep your mouth shut. By the way Kathy was captured on video handing you your script prior to one of the mtgs.LOL.

Arlene, i have tried to encourage you to be your own person. You have chosen to go down the wrong path. It is one steep slope to NS. You can't change what you have already done to hurt the city. But perhaps you can encourage changing you mode in the future. More than anything I hope you will help Tami close her trap.

Anonymous said...

Allan, perhaps you could put on the next blog the information Roselyn provided tonight about anon not truly being anon if there is a lawsuit. I have used the anon feature but I am confident what I wrote I can stand behind. Others, not so much. I am feeling a lawsuit coming on...

The friend of Bernie's she mentioned was John Scott.Looks like Bernie has not learned the lesson of his friend.

Anonymous said...

Texas Attorney General Opinion No. 0326

http://www.bickerstaff.com/files/BH_Just_Talking_With_Your_Friends_6_18_05.pdf

You may want to read this before popping your corks and celebrating.

1. There is no offense when talking with a citizen.

2. There is an offense if a quorum meets but then again thanks to Roselyn's statement here that may be out the window >" Does anyone think they did not discuss this city business prior to going to city hall collectively to put it on the agenda?"

Thinking someone did something is prove. To many times on here you have stated assumptions and it will be hard to come back and say "Oh, no I know it for fact."

I do agree that everyone should read the Texas AG's Opinion on conversations outside of City Council Meetings. It may stop the drama and insure no one makes mistakes. That includes all Council Members including Vern and Paul as they are represented there also. I wonder what it means when Paul, Vern and Al are talking together? Food for thought.

Anonymous said...

Not necessarily Rose. Tami was required to take some of the classes online. She later asked someone what the initial stood for that was being discussed. You guessed it...the initials stood for the website and agency where she had gone for the classes. LOL! I wonder how many time NS have wondered why they selected Tami has their next p a w n. Wonder who will be next?

Anonymous said...

Anon at 10:38 you have got to be Tami. You just don't get it.

Anonymous said...

I plan on submitting the form to the DA next week. After much thought I have decided to send a letter with it and both will go to the AG.

Not sure who to thank for getting this going. It is one small thing we can do to take action against the train-wreck we have to deal with for 101 days.

Anonymous said...

two things. To the officers of CLS, We love you. But.you are city employees, stay the fuck out of our politics. Period. If you don't like it get the fuck out. Big period. TO you stupid basterds that are trying to explain to the really dumb sons a bitches that if there is no ordinance there is no broken law STOP wasting bandwidth. They are too fucking retarded to get it so just stop! Everyone else gets it but they never will so just STOP!
When and where is the next party?

Anonymous said...

Anon at 11:32 U r right. Why try to explain this crap to NS? They don't get it. They can't get their facts correct. They take a bit or half of the information and run with it without realizing the other bits contradict their original point. As far as Tami goes...she will never get that she doesn't get it. No hope there.

If there is any hope trying to explain these things is that Arlene will consider resigning from Council. She needs to jump ship while she can.

Anonymous said...

anon 918,

Please direct me to the post where I posted conflicting opinions that differ from my post at 720 today regarding the mess with our officers. I know what my opinion is and it is exactly what I posted at 720. Which post do you see as being anything else???????? I guarentee you I am always the first to apologize when I am wrong. Point me to the post , I will read it and respond. I think that would be more productive than you yelling at me and calling me names. Don't you? I realize your goal is to make me look as bad as possible so I don't really expect you to respond. From what I hear todays meeting went well. Don't know what that means but I hope it did.

Craig

Anonymous said...

craig i think you are having a battle of wits with tami....if so you will never win no matter what you say or prove. you might as well argue with a tree

Anonymous said...

Threats against Public Officials > Tami and Arlene

§ 22.07. TERRORISTIC THREAT.

(a) A person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to
any person or property with intent to

(1) is committed against a member of the person's
family or household or otherwise constitutes family violence; or
(2) is committed against a public servant.

Sec. 42.072. STALKING. (a) A person commits an offense if the person, on more than one occasion and pursuant to the same scheme or course of conduct that is directed specifically at another person, knowingly engages in conduct, including following the other person, that:
(1) the actor knows or reasonably believes the other person will regard as threatening:
(A) bodily injury or death for the other person;
(B) bodily injury or death for a member of the other person's family or household; or
(C) that an offense will be committed against the other person's property;
(2) causes the other person or a member of the other person's family or household to be placed in fear of bodily injury or death or fear that an offense will be committed against the other person's property; and
(3) would cause a reasonable person to fear:
(A) bodily injury or death for himself or herself;
(B) bodily injury or death for a member of the person's family or household; or
(C) that an offense will be committed against the person's property.
(b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor, except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the actor has previously been convicted under this section.
(c) In this section, "family," "household," and "member of a household" have the meanings assigned by Section 71.01, Family Code.

Anonymous said...

Not more with google and the law.Boring. Hire your attorney and get on with it already. How many can testify against you NS? Especially Tammy - The room would be wall to wall PINK.

Anonymous said...

Anon 913 wrote Example: There is nothing in writing telling a Bank Teller that she can’t take your deposit and put it in her account but it is a crime to do it


Not if you gave verbal permission for her to do it.

That is why my question about verbal permission must be researched.


913 it was nice to see a reasonable thought out post from NS. At least it sounds like you are a NS follower. The bottom line I have been trying to make is it is not cut and dry until it is completely investigated no one and I mean no one can say who is innocent or guilty untill then. NS has already convicted Paul without all of the facts being taken into consideration. That is what happened when Tami and NS appeared to have launched an investigation into Pauls work as chief.$70,000 later we find he did nothing wrong. The officers just didn't "like" the way he was allegedly treating them. Didn't NS learn anything from that? No! Now they claim the investigation was wrong. You could have ten investigation firms come back with the same result and NS would still say they are wrong. When a court says Paul is guilty I will believe it is possible. Untill then Innocent untill proven guilty. An American standard NS does not believe in and that is sad.

Craig

Anonymous said...

Craig, I love you buddy, but give it up. Don't waste another breath on NS. They are not worth the time or energy. Get the DA's forms filed and be done with them. Focus on your party.

Anonymous said...

I didn't realize CC was recorded. That is wonderful. That means there is lots of evidence recorded for the DA. This keeps getting better and better. Go Pinks. Lots of Pink forms going to the DA.

Anonymous said...

Craig, I agree with you. I do believe that if there was a verbal agreement than Vern should have stood up at the CC meeting and put this to bed by saying, "He okayed Paul to use the City Finances for personal use and he told Karen not to report it to the CC." This would be over with except to see how much the City Finances were used, what the total was, how much has been paid back and how much is outstanding. Karen should have that information at hand. With that knowledge the CC should still hire a Forensic CPA to follow up and confirm what Vern and Karen report that Paul has done. Then new controls on the City Finances for personal use should be put in place where this will never happens again.

Allen Cruthirds said...

Allen Cruthirds says, To those whose (supposed) agenda it was to have a much more smoothly running and less disrupted police department, I ask the question, “how’s it working out for you now?” What a mess! I have always been a big supporter of our police department as can be verified by the many notations I put in the Islander when I was president of the Civic Club, but I believe many in the department were used as pawns for a much larger agenda that has not yet been clearly revealed by those who instigated this whole mess. Islander’s pay attention…there is more to come from those who revel in causing pain to our citizens. Pathetic!

Anonymous said...

Paul wasn't found innocent. There wasn't enough evidence found to prove what was alleged. To much hearsay evidence. Although, Paul has now been found guilty of those acts by TCLEOSE and we are being sued by Josh and JD who were wrongfully terminated by Paul. Paul and Kenny admitted at the TCLEOSE Hearings that they did not follow proper procedure in the termination of those two Officers. Had that information been available prior to the finalization of the investigation their may have been a different outcome? As is, we are being sued again because of Paul's paranoid. and poor management skills.

Anonymous said...

Allen, I would reserve your opinion about the Police Department until Vern, the City Attorney and CC Member Sowrey decide to disclose what occurred in their meeting with the Officers on Friday. We have had enough asses made from "assuming."

Anonymous said...

Wish we would hear the real fact about Josh and JD from a credible source.

Has anyone compared the # of lawsuits in other cities compared to ours as it relate's to the number of firings. Wrongful cause of termination is very common.

Wasn't that included in the investigation? I believe I read something about Paul and Kenny not following procedures in a dismissal case but they did what the city attorney told them to do.

I hope the officers realize it will not look good when they seek employement further in their careers.

Anonymous said...

I strongly feel that those two young men who erased the evidence tape in the patrol car because it had their conversation bad mouthing their boss SHOULD have been fired. Paul even called our city attorney for advise as it was happening and the city attorney said to go for it. This is another eye opening experience for me, how difficult it is to fire someone. Who cares if these cops sue us? TML has a fund that pays them off and they know it. Josh's grandfather is a judge, so its important to the family for this blemish to be removed from Josh's record. That's why they are still fighting the city about it.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how much has been paid out in all these different lawsuits by Police Officers that were terminated by Paul? I would be interested in knowing that figure. I think we should ask the CC to furnish that figure. Between that and now these two it could be astronomical or at lease more than a small city can bare.

Anonymous said...

Didn't Denise sue the City of Palacious when she worked there? It didn't affect her getting another policewoman job.

Anonymous said...

Dude! The word is PARANOIA.

Write it down a few times for practice....

Anonymous said...

It is funny, it's the City Attorney's fault when TCLEOSE found that Paul and Kenny didn't follow their own procedures for termination of the Officers. These Officers were cleared of any wrong doing and yet TCLEOSE reprimanded Paul and that was okay. So I doubt that they will have a problem in their future employment but Paul may with his record with TCLEOSE and the lawsuits the City has to incur because of his lack of management skills. "Teflon Paul > it's not my fault it's yours." How much more does this City have to endure before it realizes where the problem is?

Anonymous said...

Allen why don't you find out how much the City has paid out in lawsuits and how many lawsuits are pending or in the works? That would make a great article prior to the elections. We can trust you to get it right.

Fed Up said...

The ONLY cost this small city "bared" was to Young, which COUNCIL discussed on multiple meetings and agreed to. There was no other money paid out in lawsuits except to PAUL which our COUNCIL agreed to. IF they thought he brainwashed Vern and Karen to "cover up" all of his "theft and corruption" then WHY did they agree to pay him $6,000 in his attorney fees?

Let's save the $10,000 and instead the forensics audit, we need to put it aside for the lawsuits Paul, Tina, and Karen for libel, slander and harassment.

I wish I was so powerful as you NS/PD think Paul is and as smart as Karen must be to hide away all this theft from professional auditors for all these years...

Suzanne said...

I always enjoy your post Allen C. and I totally agree with you on the last one. I am so disappointed to hear our PD drank the koolaide from NS. I am wondering what carrot NS would have dangled to get them to do so.

It won't be long until we hear how things went in the mtg. Instead of hearsay, I wish those who facilitated the mtg would release a statement summarizing it. Otherwise NS will run with their half facts, selected hearing, tidbits of information and misquotes blowing it all out of proportion.

Perhaps Vern and Richard will realize the value of a written statement to the community if it is appropriate for them to do so. Maybe the summary statement could be available at the next CC and possibly here or on the city's website. Sadly it will take more of their precious personal time to write the information.

Is NS obsessed with destruction? Wait, I promised not to waste time figuring out their motives or their mindset.

Anonymous said...

If the purchases were approved, the CPA would have no reason to question it. Now if the CPA, realized a personal bill was paid or a set of tires was bought for a personal vehicle, he would have asked one of three people what this was about? If they approved it, the CPA wouldn't have had a reason to go further. You read your bank statement each month and if you don't object to a charge you find there, then no one else is going to object.

Questioning our City Financial handling and reporting is harassment? We have City credit cards being used to pay personal bills! That is a fact. How much, how often, whom besides Paul, are just some of the questions that should be answered. I, for one haven't seen one answer at the City Counsel Meetings.

Anonymous said...

1. What an unbelievable error for Josh and JD to be talking about anything while they were being recorded.

2. Why didn't they disclose thier error to Kenny? Admit their mistake.

3. Erasing the tape made it worse for them.

4. Any tampered with tape COULD NOT be used in court. I bet J + J will never make that mistake again.

5. Josh's Dad is a Judge - I bet those two major mistakes were hard to come clean with to his Father.

6.Lack of administrative or executive experience is reflected once again by the statement, "an astronomical figure us being spent on lawsuits". And the statement is NOT true.

Who cleared J+J of any wrongdoing?

Anonymous said...

Again I see only half an answer and that is why I asked Allen to report on this. Paul did get part if not all of his attorney's fees paid but not because of a lawsuit rather because it is part of his employment package. This the norm for public officials, right or wrong.

We as a City may have not have paid but our insurance did pay which is still us. I would like to know how much has been paid for lawsuits against this City no matter who paid. Has our insurance cost increased because of these lawsuits? Thank you ahead of time if you do look into this Allen.

Anonymous said...

The only astronomical waste of taxpayers' money was on the investigation to no where. Can't wait until the total is in on that way wrong thing led by TP.

Anonymous said...

I doubt his Dad is worried about it. Even Obama was caught on an open mike. It can be embarrassing but not much more. I bet Obama would have erased it too if he had the chance.

Anon 9:48 The sentence is:

"Between that and now these two it could be astronomical or at lease more than a small city can bare."

Anonymous said...

I agree anon 9:54 Tami (p a w n of NS) led the city in the largest waste of money ever based on hearsay. Her waste of city resources has not stopped. It keeps snowballing. Like NS, perhaps the only way to get her to stop is in court.

For those of you requesting forms from the DA, thank you. It is one small thing we could do not only to stop the 3 stooges but to show our support for Paul.

Anonymous said...

anon 10:06 or shall I refer to you as P a w n Tami. Your post are so darn easy to spot due to your ignorance. Thank you for correcting my quote regarding astronomical amount. I would have thought you would have caught you error improperly using the word lease. No worries. It could have been a typo. LOL

Anonymous said...

anon 10:19 - why do you think that is Tami? Is it becuase the poster doesn't agree with you or is it because the poster pointed out your error?

LOL?

Anonymous said...

I doubt if the 3 stooges could have been so destructive to the city not only wasting our resources, time and energy (to say nothing of the sleepless nights) if they had not repeatedly violated the Open Mtgs Act. That is why I am going to submit a complaint to the DA and mail a copy to the State AG.It is pathetic they don't respect the law. What is worse is I don't think some of them have the ability to understand the law. Sad, too, that the powerful influence of NS scooped them up into committing crimes. I just don't understand how anyone could buy into NS's nonsense.

Anonymous said...

Hmmmmm. No post from 918 responding to my 1159 post requesting that he or she point me to the post where I allegedly contridicted myself. Are you going to respond so I can apologize or explian my statements 918? Ill check back later.

Craig

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:23 You are correct I should not have assume poorly written and dumb posts are Tami's. I welcome comments from opposing viewpoints. One thing I admire about the blog is that all viewpoints are expressed.

Do me a favor and please read your quote again.

"Between that and now these two it could be astronomical or at lease more than a small city can bare."

I think my favorite part is "these two it can be". I am not sure. It is missing a comma. Possibly you meant "then" instead of "that".Maybe "least" instead of "lease".

Tami usually uses vulgarity, too. So more than likely this was not written by her. Sorry. I would be very upset if someone mistook one of my posts for hers, too.

Anonymous said...

That wasn't my post. I was just asking you why you think it was Tami's.
Didn't ask you to retract your accusation, however I notice that you sure are quick to do so.
I happen to think you're all dumbasses. Fortunately I think there are only about 8 of you regulars here. Bernie, Roselyn, Craig, The Occassional Crystal Rose and four other $hit distrubers that are having a good time stirring the pot.

Anonymous said...

Come to think of it - or you the silly sucker that can't use the word PARANOIA?

Anonymous said...

Stupid is as stupid does.

it - or you the silly sucker

Correction:

are you the silly sucker

I see we all shouldn't trust spell check.

Crystal Rose said...

Hey anon 11:16 at least some of us are happy to sign our name to our posts!!! Not sure what a distruber is but I have never been called a dumbass in my life, thanks for that first. Gotta love ya!!!

Anonymous said...

looks like NS has been reduced to curseing, calling names and making unproven accusations. let em be so everyone can see them for what they are