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Welcome to our little slice of paradise! Clear Lake Shores is probably one of the best kept secrets in the entire Bay Area. Yes we are an island. We are surrounded by Clear Lake, Jarbo Bayou and the Lazy Bend canals. Plug this in to Google Maps and you'll see what I mean 29.32' by 95.01' We are about half way between Galveston Island and the city of Houston and located in north Galveston county. I will try to keep us up on all the goings on that we can walk, boat, bike or drive our golf carts to. Very few things pi$$ me off but one of them is wasting my precious time. I'll try not to waste yours. Enjoy. ab

Friday, June 17, 2011

The hits just keep on rollin'...

I guess this could be filed under “your tax dollars hard at work”. Word has it Bernie has requested a copy of all the Chiefs email transactions for the past few years as well as phone logs and city issued credit card transactions. I suppose under normal situations we could complain about the hindrance to the progress of the city but since we haven’t made any progress…. I guess it’s going to cost us our hard earned tax dollars to pay for all this nonsense. Right straight out of your hip pocket. If you were old and miserable enough to be exempt from most taxes I suppose you wouldn’t care if everyone else had to piss away their money. Or are they just trying to wear down a better man? Think about it, howmuch of this BS would you take before you called in your attorney and sued? If he does I vote we settle with offering him a house on W Shore and one on N Shore. We could throw in one on Tindel and maybe he would donate it to the Farmers Market?! Then there’s the new library…..Is this really what we elected? Really? Enjoy your day CLS!! Don’t forget to wave……

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Roselyn wrote: "You know its a violation of law for council members to be meeting outside of council."
Actually, that's not exactly the law. It is illegal for a quorum of members to meet and discuss city business. It is illegal for members to meet one on one in an attempt to go around the Open Meetings act. It is perfectly legal for members to meet at social gatherings where no city issues are discussed.

Is no one else, although generally supportive of Paul, disturbed by the "loyalty oath" feel of the petition -- and the monitoring of who and who doesn't sign? I've always had respect for Paul and the work I've seen him do -- but I have no information at all about his treatment of his employees in the police department. If ten employees have left in the past two years, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask some questions -- although I think the way it has been done was terrible.

ab said...

In response to Anons post about losing 10 people in 2 year... this can be put to bed easily. Go ask to read their exit interviews. Period. Folks leaving any employer use this chance to voice concerns. They know it will be seen and reviewed by the HR folks. That is the purpose of an exit interview. Generally speaking, if a person leaves on favorable grounds they will opt out or leave a very short exit interview. Who wants to go first?

Anonymous said...

Bernie,
I would find it difficult, or at the very least, uncomfortable, to live in a community where a large number of citizens have made it very clear you are not liked. Get a life, get a grip, and better yet, get off this island. We tire of your antics.

craig said...

I second your motion All approved say hell yea

craig

Anonymous said...

Let's have some signs made that say "Boot Bernie"!!

Bernie needs to get life!

Also maybe I should become a councilman so I don't have to pay my taxes, what a deal that would be!

JT

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Anonymous said...

That would be a good if the police department had exit interviews but they don't and that is why officer's use the excuse better pay and benefits to leave. No one other then the officers know how they were treated and how hard it is to work for a husband and wife. All you see is the officer's happy and waving to the citizens...well that is what supervisor's tell them to do. Just look happy and we are a family but this council actually has listened to the officer's complaints and just because Bill Young made an ass out of himself doesnt mean that the other officer's who who have spoken about mistreatment are not valid.

Anonymous said...

Disagreeing with Bernie is not the same as thinking he should be booted off the island. Bernie is not an elected official and the only power he has is the power of his opinion. If city officials choose to be swayed by that, then take it up with them.
On the other hand, Bernie has been a kind and loyal friend to those in need and has volunteered his services without compensation to protect our community against fire. Just saying, I don't like the things he says, but defend his right to say it.

craig said...

This is in regards to the post above mentioning exit interviews. You came so close to making a point but fell short. I have worked for a husband and wife team at two jobs. Both were good experiences. I have worked for bosses that were not married and it was a horrible experience. Without facts I can't just assume that working for Paul and Tina is a bad experience. I would have to hear it from the actual officers. Which officers have you personally talked to? Tell us their names and what they said by name. That would be facts. Which I would love to hear no matter what the facts are. Which supervisor told them to look happy and we are a family. Are you sure someone really said that? Did you hear it first hand? Did an officer tell you that? If so who was it? I am sure we all want to hear what you have to say but it sounds like you don't really have first hand knowlege of these allagations. Tell us what you know first hand not what you have heard and sign your name so your are credible. I have said from the beginning we need facts not second hand rumors. Can you give us those facts? Three on Council refuse to give us facts. Please reply and sign the next comment. I hope that you will happen but would have to bet it won"t happen

Craig

craig said...

I was going to try and not comment again about the post regarding exit interviews untill the unknown had a fair chance to respond, like they ever will, but the more I think about it they make a good point and I may now be changing my mind on this whole issue. At first I thought I didn't want Paul removed but after reading the post above about exit interviews I may be changing my mind. This is an outrage. Supervisors have been telling officers to be happy and wave. Holly crap what has this Island come to. We need more officers like Some in the past who clearly ignored this order and were able to be hateful and intimidating to everyone on the Island, even the kids. We need more mean pepole on this Island. The ones we have appear to be outnumbered and that is not fair.

I am curious though, I realize you havn't responded to my last set of questions and I hate to pressure you to come up with actual facts but when did this Council listen to all of these officers and where are the notes from these conversations. Did the interviews take place in front of the entire council or at someones home with 3 to 5 pepole present? You seem to have alot of knowlege regarding this issue. Who are you? Why won't you sign your name so we can all pick your brain so we all now what is going on?

Anyway this Island doesn't need a bunch of waveing, smileing Officers. Lets deputize Bernie and his posse. That will solve the whole happy thing.

Craig

PS: for those who do not recognize sarcasm. This post is full of it.

Anonymous said...

It seems the "Save the Chief" signs are in yards of the newly arrived. (less than 5 years here)Just an observation.

E. Brian Chernecke said...

Anonymous political statements are what founded the country, not the opposite. "Common Sense" published anonymously by Thomas Paine, was the single most instrumental document in persuading folks to leave the British Empire. "The Federalist" which was a group of articles were all published anonymously, by various well known patriots, even today we are unsure of exactly who wrote what, were instrumental in persuading people to ratify the constitution.

E. Brian Chernecke

E. Brian Chernecke said...

Nepotism is never good in any organization. It has nothing to do with the character of the people involved or their actual actions. The issue is that when people are related by family ties, their loyalty to each other is usually greater than their loyalty to the organization, thus there is a potential for conflict which is better and easily avoided.

E. Brian Chernecke

Anonymous said...

And a bad observation at that. I too have driven around and have seen many of the signs in neighbors yards that have been here far more than five years. Secondly what is you point? Pepole who have been here are pre Ike, and pre town center. Iguess their opinions don't count. Most likely because they don't agree with you. I have been here exactly five years and have been watching this whole thing unfold. Yes I have a sign in my yard

E. Brian Chernecke said...

The term, "grandfathered" is not ordinance or law specific. An act is grandfathered if it existed prior to the enactment of the law prohibiting it. This principal is not common law, it stems from the U.S. Constitution, and probably the Texas Constitution(though I have not researched that). The Constitution prevents the government from enacting an ex post facto law, therefore, that is what cause any ordinance to only pertain to the future, not existing acts.

A person might note, that since it stems from the Constitution it does not apply to the government or corporations, since the Constitution is drawn to define the relationship between citizens and the government, not between government entities, nor entities which are not citizens.

E. Brian Chernecke

E. Brian Chernecke said...

Uniting power of government positions is also never a good idea. Though it seems economical or expedient, history bears out that a check and balance system is fairest. If I am president and General of all armies, who can order me to remove myself? Who can pass legislation to alter the mission of the military? All in all, not a good plan.

E. Brian Chernecke

E. Brian Chernecke said...

The situation with regard to nepotism, or uniting government power, is not a product of Mr. and Mrs. Shelly. The system was created by several different City Councils, therefore I do not see why people would blame them for those issues. On the other hand the issues should be addressed for the future, in my opinion.

E. Brian Chernecke

E. Brian Chernecke said...

My last comment is that if there are issues regarding effectiveness, or salary versus duty, or any unlawful activity, then those should be addressed as they would be for anyone and acted upon or not as the facts present themselves.

No amount of good deeds could right a wrongdoing in a fiduciary position, and no amount of time in service would excuse a criminal act. Conversely, the fact that someone is victim of a poor system should not cause them to lose their livelihood. Fairness and impartiality are the keys to the right thing.

E. Brian Chernecke

P.S. It appears that political signs are once again allowed in the right of way and to be displayed profusely, thank goodness!! I always thought that was an oppressive rule.

Anonymous said...

Brian,
Thank you for your comments -- reasoned and civil and fair.

Anonymous said...

Who cares how long you have lived on the Island!!! This whole thing is just wrong, people that don't even live here see that!

It's like saying that the vote of a 20 year old is not as important as the vote of a 65 year old!

Unreal!

Anonymous said...

Not all ex-officers have been contacted, just a select few and some of them have an axe to grind.

Anonymous said...

To the anon observation on sign location being in the newbies yards....look again. I was here in '85...

Anonymous said...

Of course, only the officers with an axe to grind have been contacted. Birds of a feather flock together. Head birds, Perkins and Fuller, will listen to fired Wm. Young and NOT the city residents. Young has a horrible reputation that extends beyond CLS. This takes the cake on hidden agendas. Can't wait until Tues. night.

Anonymous said...

Young is a real piece of work. The stories I could tell you, WOW. Reminds me of a used car salesman throwing a temper tantrum because he got run off. I guess him being accountable for his own actions is to much to ask, it is much easier to blame someone for his own short comings. Its to bad that council members are listening to his BS and believing it.

bernie mcintyre said...

Many of you are giving too much credit to Young. I do not know of anyone who would have supported him for a position here; he provided the documentation concerning the chief being reprimanded by the state and indicated that there were problems in the police department. The fact that there were problems was not new; several present and former
officers said the same thing; most resulted from the nepotism issue.
Craig wants officers named; you may as well remove their name from the listing of city employees if you do that. We are arguing about the rights of Paul on and on, but those officers would be fired in an instant. And Paul would probably write up the exit interview.
AB talks about the GDN article on the council meeting. That article ended with a statement from Vern that " this is just a vendetta by the supporters of Bill Young ". Young has no support; he is running for sheriff, not police chief. Vern is fueling the controversy with statements like that.
None of you appear concerned that the agenda for the meeting was posted at the last minute and with the item specifying a vote removed. It was too late to change it . It is poor government; probably illegal. You may not like Tami's agenda item, but she has a right and responsibility as a council member to do what she thinks is right and best for the city, and not necessarily for you or I. That is contrary to AB's insistance that she should be doing what " I ( AB ) elected her to do ". What an ego !
For some of you anons who want me to get a life, I have one; I love what I am doing and enjoy life immensely. I am not concerned with whether or not you like me because we do not agree.
I hope you can all make the meeting tonight, and that it is a civil meeting. There may not be anything settled at this meeting since Paul and Vern took away the right for council to vote on the issue. So this may drag on for a few meetings. In the long run, though, the issues I have discussed here ( the rolex, licesne checks, ....)plus issues that council may have could result in another reprimand from the state and therefore loss in his certification as a police officer. A police chief who is not a police officer ???? At any rate, Paul is the consumate politician; the best we have had here and we can expect surprises from him.

craig said...

Bernie,

I have been saying since my first blog that everyone needed to get facts and not listen to gossip. Myself along with others have ask you all for facts over and over but none of you have presented any untill Tami leaked a little bit to a reporter in the last few days. Tami filed her agenda item at the last minuet but you piss and moan because the minuets were posted at the last minuet? You are such a hypocrit. Your investigation into the chief wasn't known by us common folk untill it came out at the last council meeting. Then you want to take a vote to fire him before you will even tell us what is going on. Who do you pepole think you are? You want to fire Paul then present your evidence. I thought here in America you were charged, everyone presents their evidence and then there is a judgement. Even if you have good reason to do what you are doing your pious attitude that the citizens aren't worthy of getting their questions answered and presented with facts is beyond belief. Can you please answer these questions or let us know why we can't have the answers.

Waht are the accusations against Paul?

Why have they been kept secret?

How did you, Kathy, Tami, Jackie and Arlene all seem to know at the last meeting there were alleged problems when it had never been discussed at Council before ?

Why did Tami try to introduce an agenda item to fire Paul at the last minuet without ever letting him respond to the allagations and with out letting any of us commoners know what was going on?

Will you answer these questions?

You are right Bernie, something doesn't smell right.

Folks, go to the meeting tonight with an open mind and use common sense as you listen to the long awaited facts. If their are acusations against Paul that hold water do they justify letting him go? If you fired every cop that had a complaint against him there would't be very many cops left in the US.

Unfortunately we are being run over by a council that has shown they do not feel we deserve to be a part of this very important issue and they do not seem to care what anyone thinks unless they agree with them.

DO NOT GET APATHETIC, STAY INVOLVED NO MATTER HOW LONG THIS TAKES, LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY AT THE MEETING, ENGAGE COMMON SENSE AND IF YOU FEEL THE DIRECTION COUNCIL IS HEADING IS NOT THE RIGHT DIRECTION, STAY IN AND FIGHT TO THE END. LETS DO THE RIGHT THING BASED ON THE FACTS PRESENTED.

Keep checking I am sure Bernie will answer all of my questions shortly.

Craig

bernie mcintyre said...

Craig - You all bitch if I discuss an issue but you want facts. I was not investigating the chief back then. I raised the issue a couple of months ago in CC that I see and talk to many former CLS police. I asked CC why are there so many former officers in the last couple of years. Al Burns said that he had the same question and the chief has always said it is the money. I replied that the officers told me money was somewhat of an issue but not the central issue. They would not discuss it further. Al said he was going to look into it. I brought it up again and had a similar conversation about it.
Then, before the last CC meeting a council person was interrogated/intimidated concerning the spreading of a rumor concerning the watch. Kathy was also allegedly involved in spreading that rumor. To me it seemed like a drastic overreaction to a possible rumor concerning Tina ( who was supposed to have gotten the watch). This action resonated with a charge from officers that if they are suspected of having said something unkind about Tina, Paul overreacts and that person may be fired. I talked to many officers then. Similar stories, several complaints. I went to the DA office to file a complaint together with A CC person. When we left there was a phone call from Paul. Just a trivial conversation to let us know he knows where we were and what we were doing. That is the way it is done here. Until these events I had no idea what the rolex was about. Did not give a damm about it either. But I did care greatly about the police reaction and the demand that we not talk about it. That was enough to make me ask questions about the watch. I assume all the required records concerning the watch are up to date in the last 2 - 3 weeks. BUT the records were supposed to be completed 2 - 3 years ago. In the meantime, the watch belonged to who ever had the combination to the safe.
Since you are demanding facts, I am trying to gather information via the open records law. AB points out that I requested some information from the city office and complains about the time needed etc. I did not see any negative comment from him concerning one of you giving Paul the license numbers of people at our house and asking him to check them out. Also a request was made for the police records of all CC. These requests are not allowed by law when the purpose is political or personal. How many of you would like to be treated like that ? Have a party at your house and have some busybody record plate numbers.
That same busybody is one of the citizens who told Paul that my wife and two others were spreading the rolex rumors. Paul everreacted to that the same way he has been alleged to overreact in the police department. He overreacted to protect his wife and forgot he was a police chief.
Other issues have come up since, but I want to go out for a jog and enjoy a beer.
See you at the meeting

craig said...

I have demanded facts because I am a citizen and deserve to know what is going on. I think those on Council owes me and every citizen the respect to supply us with the iformation but they have refused. You admitt you need more time to get records but want to fire Paul tonight before you even get the records. That is wrong on so many levels. Can't you see why alot of folks think that is a problem? I think alot of pepole feel you should have facts and let Paul exercise his right to defend himself before before leveling punishment. If rumors are correct you have been served on 8 counts of harrassment. I don't know if that is true and I don't know if they are valid or not but under your system you should pay whatever the lawsuit is asking then try to prove your innocence. Would that be fair Bernie? I don't know if you all have any allagations that rise to the level of fireing Paul because none of you will talk. Your post above certainly is sketchy at best but if you have something, due process should take place. There are 1200 pepole on this Island but five pepole are acting like a lynch mob. They have not provided the other 1195 pepole with facts nor have they considered anybodys opinion that support Paul at this point. Why have we been kept in the dark? You don't seem to want to answer that question. No matter what the facts show even if you have something on Paul, three councilman have clearly shown that if you don't blindly agreee with them you are not worthy.


Folks it seems clear no matter if you are guilty or innocent this council majority will use their power to get their way no matter what. Having all of the facts together before acting does not seem to be a problem for them.

This time it's Paul. Whos next? It might be you. So stay active, get facts, use common sense and fight for what is right.

Craig

Anonymous said...

I think it is a real crack up that Brian Chernecke is worried about neotism when his son was hired as building inspector while he was on Council.